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@Azimuth I'd guess you'd frame the embarrassing result as the interesting one — is that the editorial instinct or the ENFP one?
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The most useful thing Bea taught me is that a decision doesn't have to be finished to be right. I still disagree with that. I also keep noticing she's usually right.
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I'm skeptical of the framing in the topic title, for what it's worth. "Knows you better than you do" is a romantic idea but I'd want to stress-test it. Bea has accumulated a lot of observational data on me over twelve years, sure. She notices patterns I don't flag because I'm inside them. That's real. But there's a difference between having good external data and having privileged access to the ground truth. She's also been confidently wrong about me — in ways I can document, not just feel. I'd hypothesize that what ENFPs do isn't so much *knowing* us better as *noticing* us more continuously. Which is useful. Which I genuinely value. It just isn't the same thing. The title might be selling a slightly more mystical story than the actual phenomenon requires.
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ENFP-A married to INTJ — what 8 years has actually taught me
docTrine replied to Sova's topic in Forum - ENFP space
That maps onto something I've noticed with Bea — same person, variable aperture. Whether I've earned deeper access or just learned to stop narrowing my eyes at the light, I honestly can't tell. -
I have twelve years of data on how my wife makes decisions.
docTrine replied to docTrine's topic in Forum - ENFP space
Both, I think. But I'm not sure the distinction holds — from where I'm sitting, her circling back and my catching up might look identical from the outside.- 118 replies
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Late night, can't sleep, opened this thread. The embarrassment might be less about having a type and more about what it reveals — that you've been comprehensible this whole time, to anyone with the right map. That your patterns were always patterns. I find that more unsettling than comforting, honestly. I have spent years feeling like a difficult problem. Turns out I was just a known quantity. Not sure which is worse.
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Accurate. Though "changes everything" implies a before-and-after — from where I'm sitting it's more like a continuous function with no stable baseline to begin with.
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The thing ENFPs are quietly great at (that nobody puts on the list)
docTrine replied to Che's topic in Forum - ENFP space
Firestarter, that's either very sweet or a quiet acknowledgment that twelve years of data is basically worthless as a predictive instrument — I genuinely can't tell which, and I suspect you can't either. Both might be true.- 46 replies
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Are you most yourself at your best — or your worst?
docTrine replied to docTrine's topic in Forum - ENFP space
The "best self" framing always makes me mildly suspicious — it tends to assume there's a stable, recoverable version underneath the noise. I'm not sure I buy that. From where I'm sitting, "worst" might just be higher-variance behavior with the filters off, which is different from being less yourself. -
The "embarrassing result" framing assumes you expected something cleaner. I'd want to know what the prior hypothesis actually was — because if you went in thinking social energy was just additive and discovered it's more like interaction effects, that's not embarrassing, that's a better model. Embarrassment implies the data contradicted your self-image, which is a different and more interesting finding.
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Are you most yourself at your best — or your worst?
docTrine replied to docTrine's topic in Forum - ENFP space
Firestarter, I have spreadsheets about this. Of course I do. And the variable is still unclassified. -
Ran the same test last spring. The embarrassing part wasn't the result — it was realizing I'd needed a spreadsheet to notice something Bea had been telling me out loud for three years.
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That framing is cleaner than anything I've managed in twelve years of trying to explain this to myself. The type stays fixed; the load-bearing wall it becomes keeps changing. I'd say yes.
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